Saturday, August 9, 2008

Are PKR and PAS who we want to replace BN to govern our country?

Many of you who have visited my blogs know very well which side of the fence I was in the March 8 GE. My sole purpose was to vote for a party that would rule this nation justly. A government that would not discriminate base on race or religion. We all know that we have not seen this from the BN government.

No doubt like most of my friends and relatives, I was very happy with the results of March 8. My close friend Anfielddevotee, was pleased with the results and based of the events over the past few weeks believes that a Snap elections is round the corner and has taken the initiative to get our friends to register themselves.

I am in full support of this. As Malaysians, it is our duty to vote. But who do you vote for is entirely up to you and one should weigh all the options before making up your mind.

Anfielddevotee beleives that if PKR is to take over the governing of this nation, things will be a lot better. I will admit that I shared his views as well. That is why I was saddened to read of the events that took place this morning at the Bar Council office. Threathening protest led by PKR MP for Kulim- Bandar Baharu, Zulkifli Noordin, resulted in the Bar Council Forum on Conversion having to be stopped.

PKR, that stands for freedom of speech and expression seem to be no difference to BN, it seems. Those of you who do not subscribe to Malaysiakini, can read the report below. You make up your mind about PKR and PAS. Mind you this is from Malaysiakini and not NST....


Protesters stop Bar's 'conversion' forum
Andrew Ong Aug 9, 08 9:41am


About 300 protesters gathered outside the Bar Council headquarters demanding that the lawyers group halt its controversial forum on ‘Conversion to Islam’ this morning.

The Bar Council today, adhering to the advice of the police - and an angry mob at its doorstep - wrapped up its half-day forum on 'Conversion to Islam' at 10am, an hour after it had started.

A leader of the protesters - PKR Kulim-Bandar Baharu parliamentarian Zulkifli Noordin - declared the abrupt end of the forum as a victory for them. By 10.40am, most of the protesters have dispersed.

The open forum on the sensitive religious issue kicked off at 9am but angry protestors have given organisers half an hour to cancel the event.About 15 police officers and an Federal Reserve Unit truck have been deployed to the area and the road leading to the Bar Council office where the forum is held has been closed.

'Don't play with fire'. In the bid to diffuse the situation, the police have told Bar Council to wrap up its forum by 10am.The protesters, many of whom are from Muslim welfare organsation Perkida and Islamic party PAS, shouted, “Hancur Bar Council” (Crush Bar Council), “Hidup Islam” (Long Live Islam) and “Batal forum” (Cancel the forum).

They are carrying placards saying “Jangan cabar Islam” (Don’t challenge Islam) and “Bar Council, Don’t play with fire”.Among the protest leaders seen in the crowd are PAS Youth chief Salahuddin Ayub and Zulkifli.

The protesters, many of whom came just before the forum began, later decided to sit down in front of the Bar Council building and vowed that they would not budge until the event had been cancelled. Some threatened to storm the building to physically stop the forumAmong the speakers at the forum was syariah lawyer Mohd Haniff Khatri Abdulla. Mohd Haniff represented the Federal Territory’s Islamic Religious Council in the case of R Subashini. K Shanmuga and Ravi Nekoo, who were counsel for Subashini and S Shamala, respectively, also spoke.

The forum is moderated by Zarizana Abdul Aziz of the Women's Centre for Change.Former Syariah judge and currently the Federal Territory Islamic Department’s syariah prosecutor Dr Mohd Naim Mokhtar pulled out as a panel speaker earlier.

The demonstration was generally peaceful, but several forum participants were subjected to verbal abuse and profanities when they exited the Bar Council building. Shouts of “babi”, “pengkhianat” and “balik China” were heard as forum participants trickled out of the venue. Speaking to reporters later, Zulkifli said that he had led a delegation of four individuals representing the protesters to state their position with Bar Council president Ambiga Sreevenasan and vice president K Ragunath.

Islam-bashing forum“I spoke to them for 15 minutes and I urged them to stop the forum as it is a form of provocation against Muslims,” said Zulkifli, who stressed that he was representing Lawyers in Defence of Islam (Pembela) and not his party PKR. Asked why the protesting groups choose not to participate in the forum and engage the organisers in a discussion, Zulkifli said that he was open to dialogues but the Bar Council’s intention was to provoke Muslims. “For us, this forum is merely (for) Islam-bashing,” he said. Dang Wangi police chief ACP Zulkarnain Abdul Rahman said the situation was “under control” and that he had advised the forum organisers to cancel the event due to security threats. “There can be civil disorder and disturbance to the peace and we can’t ensure their safety,” he said when asked for details on the security threats. Asked why he did not disperse the crowd in view of the security threats, Zulkarnain said that the police did not engage the crowd after assessing the situation. “If we were to take action, nobody will be safe here,” he said, nothing that the initially passive crowd and turned more aggressive as the demonstration wore on.

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Anonymous said...

The answer is short and simple.

Yes, PAS and PKR would be better. They dont promise you Utopia but you will definitely still get more than what you got with BeeEnd govt.

With the BeeEnd govt, what happened today would still have happened.

You are writing nonsense, are you saying with Pakatan Govt, the forum this morning would have been stopped but under BeeEnd govt, it would have been allowed?

Both also stopped! So status quo.

But Pakatan in other areas, promise so much, help for all races, poor and in need instead of NEP for the crony rich.

Judiciary revamp!!!

Police reva,p!!!

so , look beyond the small things!!!!

Anonymous said...

BeeEnd will lead you to the end.
PR is better. An improved version, that is what we hope ....
But we can not ask for the star and moon.

Malaysia said...

The answer is short and simple.

I think PR (SODOM CITY) need to ware 'CAWAT BESI" for precaution.

Anonymous said...

PKR and PAS had fallen into UMNO goons trap. That's the end of both PKR and PAS! Let's see the ballot box of the election!!

Khun Pana aka johanssm said...

Allow me to say my piece.
Islam is very vague , as different muslim interprets their own religion differently to the extend that islam “evolves”.
For us in Malaysia there are several main issues which are neglected , skipped and skirted by the government . Even all the so many sultans kept mum as quiet as a mummy.
I for one praises the Bar and those who took part in the forum.
It means that we have people seriously looking into and finding ways to resolve issues that even the sultans , pm , dpm ,ulamas will run away when they are the one who should solve the mess.
We all do need clear laws instead of having a game of ping-pong ball between islamic court and common law.
The government always washes their hands by saying respect the law and let the court decide.
But the court and judges are all indecisive and pushes cases to islamic court.
Most pressing issue will be snatching and kidnapping of dead copse. It is not a funny issue .
but such funny cases are happening at rampant.
Because we have a funny government trying to be funny.
When the bar sit down and discuss , funny people came to protest .
This means that some of the muslims really cannot be open to discussion . And they will go berserk just like what we get to see on TV news and movies.
But it is okay , we are cool if you all do NOT want to see any of us doing an open forum.
We can do live forum over the internet or blogs.
If we do a close forum, you cant take part.
We want the people to have a say.This is why the bar did the open forum . It is part of transparency.

As for some of the protesters from PR , just like any political party there bound to be funny people who are willing to go berserk. Same story from umno or bn.
In the case of umno, they are worse as some of them are ministers.
It is the right time to say goodbye , adious , sayonara , to Vision 2020.
As we have many people still living on tree’s top.

Anonymous said...

I m a Muslim amd i do agree on an open forum , however i believe we needs to look at the bigger picture . We have been rule by BN for over 50 Years and it takes time to heal the openess process. I would rather start with a close door forum an invite key Islamic Scholar, other key non Muslim religous leaders and influential personnel from each political party. With the current political situation i strongly believe this is not the time yet, we should at least wait till after the by election in P.Pauh which i believe will be the key indicator of where our nation will be heading to. I believ if we were to be a little patience and have faith we DSAI , open discussion will be the way to go for future progress of the nation , irrespective of any sensitive subject. Lastly , are all prepare for this ?

Anonymous said...

WHat sort of a YB is this? You go round assuming that people are going to bash Islam before they even speak! There are Muslims in the forum. DO you think they will participate in a forum to bash themselves?
What peaceful protest? This was an exercise in terror! And while people were being prevented from speaking these same people were spewing natred and racism!
I for one will tell all my friends DONT VOTE FOR that fanatic again!

nick m said...

I think you're not alone in your concern. But do try not to be cynical about it. If Pakatan Rakyat can and does seize power, it doesn't mean that all our problems will be solved. More importantly it means that a 2-party system can or already has taken hold in this country. And I'm sure you know why this is so important for a country like ours to develop into a true Parliamentary democracy. For the first time after 50 years of Independence, we now have a real opportunity for this to happen and we must make the most of it.

Just how much will PAS feature in the running of the country? This is hard to say. But don't forget that of the 3 PR parties, it got the least number of seats in the last GE.

As for PKR MP Zulkifli Nordin, well I'd be concerned if the top leadership of PKR were there. But they weren't. So we should take the cue from people like R. Sivarasa whom I'm sure yo know is a real decent bloke and has been championing human rights causes regardless of race or creed.

So we should keep our sights firmly focused on making a 2-party system a reality. And when the time comes to vote again be it in a snap poll or the next GE, we do the right thing.

anfield devotee said...

There'll always be teething problems la with a dracstic change.

As fer the issue on religion, its always gonna be a touch sensitive fer some peole who are NOT used to open discussions.

These things take time.

And you shouldn't judge Pakatan on the actions on one person.

And just to make things CRYTSAL CLEAR; me is not expecting overnite change or miracles with Pakatan.

Just that it will mean a two-party democracy instead of BN, BN & more fooking BN.

Jon-C said...

Our problems will never be solve so long as there are "kids" running the show and refuse to wake up to the reality of a changed world. Kicking out the apathy helps too.

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